C4L2010 social activities
Contents
- 1 Code4Lib 2010 social activities
- 2 Ideas
- 3 Planned events
- 4 Asheville Brews Cruise
- 5 12 Bones BBQ Dinner Excursion
- 6 Vegetarian Dinner (Weds, AKA BBQ night)
- 7 Newcomer Dinner
- 8 Werewolf!
- 9 Working Out
- 10 Sitting in a room together and half the time talking to each other out loud and half the time talking in IRC
- 11 Pre-Pre-Conference
Code4Lib 2010 social activities
Ideas
Original Proposal (suggests some nearby events)
Planned events
Plan one if you like! Either on your own or you can join the social activities committee.
Asheville Brews Cruise
"Experience a taste of Asheville’s thriving local beer scene with an exclusive tour of three of our award-winning microbreweries." - http://www.brewscruise.com/asheville/
A big shout out to Talis for stepping up and sponsoring a portion of this event. Our first stop on the cruise will be a brewery slash pizza joint and Talis has generously offered to pay for our pizza. Yay!
Itinerary
- Pickup from the hotel is tentatively scheduled for 6:15pm. Those who haven't pre-paid should try to get there a little early.
- Stop #1 will be the Asheville Pizza & Brewing Co. where we will sample 16-20 different beers and consume our delicious, alcohol-absorbing, Talis-sponsored pizza.
- Stop #2 will be Highland Brewing Company, "Asheville's 1st and largest brewing company"
- Stop #3 will be the French Broad Brewery which "specializes in a variety of European style beers."
- Expected return to the hotel is around 9:30-10pm
Cost & Payment
The cost for the cruise is $40 per person. You have two options for paying:
- Pay in advance by sending me $40 via PayPal.
- Bring $40 with you on the night of the cruise. I've been told they have a hand-held credit card machine for the cash-strapped.
Anyone who wants to can pay via PayPal, but I need at least 16 people to choose this option because the tour company wants to pre-bill my credit card for a minimum of 16 guests. There should be no fees involved if the money comes from your PayPal account or an associated bank account. The deadline for paying in advance is EOD Sunday, February 21st.
- Go to PayPal
- Click on "Send Money"
- Enter lbjay@reallywow.com in the "To" field
- Enter your own address in the "From" field (unless you're logged in)
- Click the "Personal" tab and choose "Payment owed" from the options
- Click "Continue"
- On the next page you can specify a message Subject of "Brews Cruise"
Signup
Sorry, the event is full! We were forced to set a limit of 48 persons due to that's the max number of folks that will fit into two party buses, plus we don't want to overwhelm the staffs at the breweries. There is, however, is a waitlist that someone started below.
- Jay Luker (organizing, not driving) - paid
- Mike Giarlo (inebriator) - paid
- Rob Casson (drunk) - paid
- Declan Fleming (beer receptacle) - paid
- Jim Safley (recovering teetotaler)
- Ian Walls (epicurean of ale)
- Christopher Spalding (thirsty)
- Jon Gorman (imbiber of that which is good) - paid
- Lori Stethers (token female)
- Carol Ou (beer enthusiast) - paid
- Cristóbal Palmer (Reinheitsgebot skeptic)
- Tod Olson (enabler)
- Mark Matienzo (alefounder) - paid
- Sibyl Schaefer (barfly)
- Tania Fersenheim (Gold Medalist - Ithaca Beerlympics - Summer 1993)
- Melissa Manolis (Beer lacky and Librarian Groupie)- paid
- Greg McClellan (master of beerology and beeronomy)- paid
- Cary Gordon (hip hoppist) - paid
- Mark Gallagher (Thing 1)
- Matt Bachtell (Thing 2)
- Thom Cox (afraid of rectangles)
- Eric James (pour)
- Ray Schwartz (mighty thirsty)
- Jason Stirnaman (all about the stout)
- Mike Flakus (ipa all the way)
- Ben Florin (sounds neat--what's "beer"?) - paid
- Ryan Wick (it comes in pints?) - paid
- Sam Kome (have churchkey, will travel) - paid
- Joe Atzberger - paid
- Brendan Gallagher
- Chris Beer
- Tom Keays (growler) - paid
- Ross Singer (empty vessel waiting to be filled)
- Eric Hellman (49 IBU) - paid
- Paul Joseph (i bike leer)
- Cody Hennesy (don't mind if i do) - paid
- Michael Vandenburg
- Stephen Meyer (Wisconsinite)
- Antonio Barrera
- Andrew Nagy
- Rosalyn Metz - paid
- Esmé Cowles - paid
- Sean Hannan (Peer Pressured) - paid
- Scott Garrison (just made it by the froth of his beer?) - paid
- Dan Suchy ( [no longer] late and now full of gratitude) (berick: Dan, you get my spot. you better get double drunk for me!)
- Spencer Lamm (slamm1 at swarthmore.edu)
- Robert Haschart
- Dea Rice (Duchess of Ales)
There is a max of 48 persons for this event. Sorry!
Wait List
I'll try to monitor the waitlist and add folks automatically if someone else drops out. Would be a good idea to specify an email address or some other means of contact so that I can notify you if you make it in.
- Ed Corrado
- Jonathan Rochkind
12 Bones BBQ Dinner Excursion
(was a lunch excursion)
12 Bones BBQ is widely considered the best BBQ in Asheville [*]. However it is only open from 11-4, M-F. We would like to organize a group so that we can rent out the place on Wednesday night. If we get at least 50 people, it will be doable.
When: Wednesday, February 24th
Time: Cash Bar: 6:00pm Dinner: 6:30pm
Where: 5 Riverside Drive Asheville NC, 28801
- Driving Directions (5 minutes)
- Walking Directions (30 minutes / 1.7 miles)
- Cabbing Directions: If you all would like to organize into cabs, I would suggest meeting in the lobby of the hotel between 5:45pm and 6:00pm and figuring things out from there. While I would normally love to help out with 80 people taking cabs (insert sarcasm here), I'll probably already be at the venue. A couple of cab companies I found are:
- New Blue Bird Taxi Company - (828) 258-8331
- Checker Cab Service - (828) 254-1155
Menu: This will be buffet style. So bring your appetite.
- Pulled Pork
- Chopped Beef Brisket
- Corn Bread
- Buns
- Mashed Sweet Taters
- Sweet Vinegar Coleslaw
- Collard Greens (contains meat)
- Fountain Drinks/Sweet Tea/Unsweetened Tea
BBQ Excursion Signup
For the time being please indicate interest in the BBQ excursion by adding your name to the list below. We'll figure out a way to coordinate and communicate the details somewhere down the line.
- Rosalyn Metz (the new organizer)
- Jay Luker (demoted but still devoted)
- Mike Giarlo (consumer)
- Rob Casson (glutton)
- Declan Fleming (condor)
- Erik Hatcher (carnivore)
- Christopher Spalding (digs swine)
- Mike Durbin (Porkaholic)
- Jeremy Frumkin (alloftheabove)
- Jon Gorman (Aficionado of smoke, flame, and good sauces)
- Michael Klein (EAT PIG)
- Mark Matienzo (saucy fellow)
- Cary Gordon (do they have vegan pig?)
- Sibyl Schaefer (finger licker)
- Greg McClellan (Mmmm... Pig)
- Ranti Junus (beef and chicken cheerleader)
- Tania Fersenheim (can't think of any non-vulgar tag lines)
- Matt Bachtell (hope they have vinegar based BBQ)
- Ray Schwartz (I eat vegetarians)
- Dileshni Jayasinghe (I just like to eat)
- Joe Atzberger (con carne)
- Michael Doran (a YES for Wednesday night)
- Thom Cox (ancho pepper addict)
- Chris Strauber (meat and flame!)
- Cindy Harper (I'm sorry, Babe)
- Brendan Gallagher
- Chris Beer
- Alexander O'Neill
- Bess Sadler
- Joyce Ouchida
- Ross Singer (Some Pig)
- Tod Olson (omnivore sans dilemma)
- Paul Joseph
- Vinita Tuteja
- Robin Hitch
- Ryan Wick
- Becky Yoose (bringing the wetwipe napkins)
- Joyce Chapman
- Andrew Darby
- Cory Lown
- Peter Murray (who knows that NC BBQ means one has to actually add the BBQ sauce)
- Jean Rainwater
- Matt Cordial
- Carol Ou (dinnertime excursion works for me)
- Karen Coombs
- Dan Lucas
- Gerald Snyder
- Michael Silver
- Julia Bauder (dinner partier)
- Jørn Thøgersen
- Michael Poltorak Nielsen
- Toke Eskildsen
- Mads Villadsen (the Danes are coming for Wednesday night BBQ!)
- Andreas Orphanides (I want to go to there.)
- Michael Vandenburg
- Wendy Huot
- David Bucknum
- Jason Casden
- Graham Stewart
- Joseph Ryan
- Dhanushka Samarakoon
- Eric Crenshaw
- Katherine Lynch
- Stephen Meyer
- Antonio Barrera (whats a BBQ without me)
- Ron Peterson
- Andrew Nagy (no witty comment)
- Corey Harper (Mmmmmm..... Carolina Pulled Pig)
- Eric Palmitesta
- Ben Florin
- Emily Lynema (pulled pork delicious)
- Erik Mitchell (Who could turn down an 80 person dinner experience?)
- Mike Flakus (pulled-porker)
- Matt Connolly (Memphian)
- Ian Walls
- Benjamin Young (BBQ is a noun)
- Esmé Cowles
- Tim Dennis
- Harry Kaplanian
- Ryan Scherle
Sorry there is an 80 person limit for this event
Wait List
- Amy McGuire
- Jason Battles
- Hong Ma
- Vanessa Meireles
- Mark Diggory
- Jonathan Rochkind
- Robert Haschart
- Scott Garrison
- Willy Mene
- Daniel Lovins
- Susan Teague-Rector
Vegetarian Dinner (Weds, AKA BBQ night)
Ophelia's World Cafe and Bar does vegetarian, vegan, raw, gluten-free, sustainable seafood, and locally-raised meat products, with a focus on local and organic. Also, a full bar. yelp reviews.
- max of 36 people
- meet at hotel to walk together - 6:30pm
- We are confirmed with the restaurant - reservation is at 6:45
- email Anna3LC if you have any questions - gmail
- Jodi Schneider
- Maccabee Levine (token male)
- Eric Hellman (token carnivore)
- Carol Bean
- Sam Kome (omnivorous w/exception of BBQ)
- Dea Rice (Socialite)
- Sean Hannan (token token collector)
- Vidhya Arvind
- Cristóbal Palmer
- Lori Stethers
- Rick Johnson
- Anna Headley
- Kevin Clarke
- Gabriel Farrell
- Eric James
- Betsy Coles
- Harish Maringanti
- Emily Molanphy
- Shawn Averkamp
- Kevin Reiss
- Birkin
- Jon Stroop
- Birong Ho
- William Denton
- Gretchen Gueguen
- Steven Shelton
- Banurekha Lakshminarayanan
- Dan Brubaker Horst
- Martin Mehrling
- Dan Chudnov
- Erin Germ
- Naomi Dushay
- Shekhar Krishnan
- Schuyler Erle
- Spencer Lamm
- Brian Seitz
- We're full!
Wait List
- Yvonne Federowicz
- Tom Keays
- Nicolas Steenlant
Newcomer Dinner
First time at code4lib? Join fellow c4l newbies and veterans for an evening of food, socializing, and stimulating discussions about the many uses of bacon.
Code4Lib veterans, you're invited too. Join us in welcoming the newcomers!
Tentative plans (more information to come)
- When: Monday evening
- Time: 6 PM
- Where: Meet in the hotel lobby. Restaurants - Look below
- Mastermind (if you have any questions): Becky Yoose
Newcomer Dinner Signup
Clarification - you can still sign up if you didn't intially list your name the first time around. Sorry for any misunderstandings on my part. -_-;
Restaurants
Guidelines:
- Max of 8 per location
- Please, no waitlisting :(
- ID yourselves so we can get a good mix of new people and veterans
- New folks - n
- c4l vets - v
- One leader needed for each location (code4lib vets only)
- Leader duties
- Make reservations if required; otherwise make sure that the restaurant can handle a group of 8 rowdy library coders
- Herd folks from hotel to restaurant (know where you're going!)
- Leader duties
Spots still available below! 2/11 - added a couple more restaurants to make sure everyone has a spot!
Tripps Restaurant (Steakhouse)
- [Leader]
Laughing Seed Cafe (Vegetarian, round two!)
- [Leader]
- Carol Bean - v (willing to be leader if no one else steps up)
- Naomi Dushay - v (go for it Carol)
Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers (Pizza)
- [Leader]
Jack of the Wood (another pub for y'all)
- [Leader] Roy Tennant - v
- Monica Claassen-Wilson - n
- Betsy Coles - v
- Tim Shearer - n
Limones (Mexican)
- [Leader] Andrew Nagy - v (Reservation for 8 at 6pm is made)
- Clint Bellanger - n (+1 if possible)
- Daniel Lovins - v (Back in the game now)
- Scott Garrison - n
- Wendy Huot
- Paul Joseph - n
- Jill Sexton - n
- Matt Connolly - 40% v
- If Bellanger's +1 == 1 more person then this is full
Sorry, these are full
Bistro 1896 (Bistro) (res. made for 8 @ 6:30)
- [Leader] Cary Gordon (likes anything that involves food) - v
- Yuka Egusa - n
- Masao Takaku - n
- Dao Rong Gong - n (can step up if no v is in this group)
- Mike Lindsey - n
- Willy Mene - n
- Jessie Keck - v
- Eric James - v
- Sorry - full
Salsas (Mexican-Caribbean)
- [Leader] Jay Luker - v (no rezzies but they know we're coming ~6:30)
- Gabriel Farrell - v
- Sean Hannan - v
- Scot Colford - v
- Chrissy Rissmeyer - n
- Matt Cordial - v
- Jason Stirnaman - n (sorta)
- Rob Casson - v
- Sorry - full
Wasabi Japanese Restaurant & Sushi Bar (Japanese)
- [Leader] Ranti Junus - v Reservation at 6:30pm for 8 people. We'll meet in the lobby at 6pm.
- Caitlin Shanley - n
- Erin White - n
- Chris Strauber - n
- Jodi Schneider - v
- Joyce Chapman - n
- Susan Teague Rector (sort of a newb...)
- Graham Stewart - n (plane lands at 5:09, but will show up eventually ...) ranti's note: send me sms to 517-325-3735 on your status, or you can go directly to the resto. Thanks.
- Sorry - full
Table (“New American”)
- [Leader] Devon Smith - v
- Anna Headley - n
- Cory Rockliff - n
- Jeff Sherwood - n
- Emily King - n
- Laurie Sutherland - n
- Jonathan Rochkind - v
- Jean Rainwater - v
- Sorry - full
Vincenzo's (Italian)
- [Leader] Bess Sadler - v
- Thom Cox - n
- Alexander O'Neill - n
- Leland Deeds - n
- Erin Germ - n
- Joe Atzberger - v
- Cindy Harper - n
- Vinita Tuteja - n
- Sorry - full
Doc Chey’s Noodle House (Asian)
- [Leader] Emily Lynema - v - don't do call ahead or reservations, so we'll just have to chance it with our name on the list
- Julia Bauder - n
- Joe Marquez - n
- Jason Battles - n
- Jill Ellern - n
- Michael Vandenburg -n
- Shekhar Krishnan
- Schuyler Erle
- Sorry - full
Bouchon French Bistro (French)
- [Leader] Ben Florin -v
- Gwen Exner - n
- Joel Richard - n (super-green!)
- Dan Lucas - n
- Hong Ma - n
- Vanessa Meireles - n
- Mark Diggory - n (but not green)
- David Woodbury - n
- Sorry - full
Mela Indian Restaurant (Indian) (reservation made for 6:15 under Darby)
- [Leader] Andrew Darby - v
- Joyce Ouchida - n
- Eric Celeste (spy) - n
- Kossivi (Jean-Paul) Bessou - n
- Steven Shelton - n
- Jeff Silvis - n
- Ya'aqov Ziso - n
- Banurekha - n
- Sorry - full
Rosetta's Kitchen (Vegetarian)
- [Leader] Rosalyn Metz -v
- Cody Hennesy - n
- Sam Kome - n
- John Yorio - n
- Shawn Averkamp - n
- Sarah Kahn- n
- Cory Lown - n
- Maccabee Levine - n
- Sorry - full
Suwana's Thai Orchid Restaurant (Thai)
- [Leader] Becky Yoose - v
- Andy Mardesich - n
- Amy McGuire
- Birong HO
- Ryan Scherle - n
- Mark Mounts - n
- Dan Brubaker Horst -n
- Rick Johnson - n
- Sorry - full
The Lobster Trap (Seafood)
- [Leader] Michael Klein - v
- Janis Mathewson - n
- Karen Schwentner - n
- Tom Bennett - n
- Carol Ou - v
- Kenny Ketner - n
- Mike Flakus - n
- Michael Doran - v
- Sorry - full
- [Leader] Mike Giarlo - v
- Dileshni Jayasinghe - n
- David Bucknum - n
- Sean Chen - n
- Sibyl Schaefer - n
- Dan Suchy - n
- Mark Matienzo - v
- Declan Fleming - v
- Sorry - full
- Eric Palmitesta -n (WAITLISTED!) - (BY note - Hi Eric, can you please choose from the available list above? Thanks! [Hey, Eric, you might sign up for Jack of the Wood. Good beer there as well! -MJG])
Cut and paste your name to the restaurant of your choice :)
- Ross Singer
- Brendan Gallagher
- Schuyler Erle
- Michael Silver
- Jason Stirnaman
- Patrick Hochstenbach
- David Chandek-Stark
- David Kennedy
- Robin Hitch
- Graham Stewart
- David Woodbury
- Antonio Barrera
- Harry Kaplanian
- Scott Garrison
- Kevin Reiss
Werewolf!
It wouldn't be a tech conference unless we got together one evening to turn into a gang of murdering beasts and hyper-suspicious victims. Facilitated by the one and only mbklein.
- When: Wednesday evening
- Time: 8 PM
- Where: TBA. Watch this space.
About Werewolf
Werewolf (also known as Mafia) is a parlor game that has become the obsession of techie conferences everywhere. At it's most basic, it's a game of information asymmetry -- a battle between an uninformed majority (the townspeople) and an informed minority (the werewolves who live and hunt among them). At its best, it's an off-the-wall paranoid screaming match. There are dozens of variations -- we'll start with the basics, and depending on everyone's stamina and desire to keep playing, save the tricky stuff for later. Hopefully by the end of the evening all the participants will be jibbering, jumpy, sleep-deprived lunatics incapable of trusting even their closest friends.
In other words, good times.
Werewolf signup
- Michael Klein
- Alexander O'Neill
- Bess Sadler
- Leland Deeds
- Jean Rainwater
- Chris Beer
- Wendy Huot
- Jon Gorman
- Jodi Schneider
- Birkin (will arrive after the veggie-dinner, and hoping BBQ-ers will have time to make it, too)
- Harish (ditto)
- Sarah Kahn (ditto Harish)
- Jon Stroop
- Joel Marchesoni (tentative)
- Martin Mehrling
- Michael Vandenburg
- Scot Colford
- Chrissy Rissmeyer
- Matt Cordial (after BBQ dinner)
- Yvonne Federowicz
- Amy McGuire
- Daniel Lovins (never tried werewolf, though, so I probably suck )
Working Out
Gotta make up for those beer and BBQ excursions somehow. Let's work out! Ideas: hiking, jogging, CrossFitting, surfing,...
CrossFit Asheville
CrossFit Asheville Contacted the gym, we're invited to the Monday night 6:30pm slot.
Who's in?
- Erik Hatcher (crossfit newb), can carpool three others
- Michael Vandenburg (Crossfit curious)
- Jeff Sherwood (I'd be into getting in a Crossfit WOD or maybe a run)
- Jason Stirnaman (hiking, biking - don't mind the weather, lifting, cross-fitting)
- Jodi Schneider (CrossFitting sounds fun if we can fit in their schedule, yoga, walking, hiking)
- Erik Mitchell (only if we are not overwhelming their space - can fit 3 people in my car as wel)
Jogging
Meet in lobby at 6:30am any day next week.
- Monday: Erik Hatcher (too cold? I'll do the treadmill instead; 2-3 miles max)
- Perhaps a good 5 mile (or less as this is an out & back) run to the Biltmore house gate? - Suggested route to Biltmore
- Looks good. Count me in. (John Barneson)
- Yitzchak Schaffer interested, 3-6 mi, 10:00 pace or so
- Emily Lynema sounds good, 5 is great, pace & distance flexible (although I might skip if it's really 31 degrees & raining!)
- Jean Rainwater, 5-6 mi, 10:00 pace
- Tuesday: Sounds like a great day for the Code4Lib Inaugural 10 miler - Suggested Route to the Grove Park Inn
- Jean Rainwater, up for 10 miles if slowish means 10:00
- Wednesday: Erik Hatcher (2-3 miles max)
- Emily Lynema would be up for a 3-miler (presenting at 9:15am so have to be on time)
- Weather permitting - a hike around Mt Mitchell or Mt. Pisgah, blue ridge parkway or trail run? [1]
- Thursday:
Interested Parties for various exercise activities
- Erik Hatcher (game for both short, like 2 mile, jogs on Monday/Wednesday and CrossFitting, bring it!)
- Erik Mitchell (Run downtown asheville or the parkway? - great 12 mile climb up the parkway around Pisgah Mtn.), How about a Code4Lib half-marathon? (Why NOT! Let's do a Half Marathon) - Ray Schwartz
- Bike riding - yes might be sketchy given our current weather
- Hike up Looking Glass Rock [2]
- Emily Lynema (game for jogging, hiking, walking, jumping jacks; not crazy enough for parkway running!)
- Ray Schwartz (game for a run - why not a half marathon?!).
- Rick Johnson (Looking to fit in a 10, 12 ,and 8 mile run while in town. Was originally thinking I would go early in the morning: 6:30 or 7. May not be able to run together everytime but definitely looking for suggestions on good routes)
- Thom Cox (lifting, cardio, yoga--all good)
- Jason Stirnaman (hiking, biking - don't mind the weather, lifting, cross-fitting)
- Jean Rainwater (need to get some runs in where the footing's not treacherous and the temp is above freezing)
- Gerald Snyder (a couple mornings jogging would be good, but only 4 or 5 miles for me thanks)
- Jodi Schneider (CrossFitting sounds fun if we can fit in their schedule, yoga, walking, hiking)
- Becky Yoose (hiking (intermediate level max), walking, cheer others on while they run a half marathon)
- Carol Bean (does shivering in the cold count as exercise?)
- John Barneson (I'm game for a.m. runs 5-10 miles. I would love a nice scenic route and I don't mind trail running)
- Gabriel Farrell (running, yoga, pickup soccer?)
- Kevin Reiss (running/hiking)
- Jeff Sherwood (I'd be into getting in a Crossfit WOD or maybe a run)
- Nick Hanssens (yoga; I teach if there is space and interest)
- Michael Vandenburg (Crossfit curious)
- Ranti Junus (yoga, walking, thumb wrestling - maybe)
- Mark Diggory (surfing,... kinda hard to find good waves in Asheville... will settle for a little hiking)
- Anna Headley (hacky sack in the hotel lobby - yes it counts as exercise)
Sitting in a room together and half the time talking to each other out loud and half the time talking in IRC
Because you know it's going to happen
- William Denton
- Mike Giarlo (fulfiller of destinies)
- /ignore mjgiarlo
- Antonio Barrera (trying to avoid a repeat of Portland)
- Jodi Schneider (one of the highlights!!!)
- Bess Sadler (can it be in the hospitality suite at 4am? That's the best!)
- Mark Matienzo
- ROSS DOESN'T LIVE HERE ANY MORE
- Ranti Junus (hoping somebody can help me hacking my chumby one to install elinks or qtweb)
- Dan Chudnov (hoping for in-same-room IRC chat to be an olympic medal event in 2014)
- Michael Klein
Pre-Pre-Conference
Olympic Hockey
If you're interested in watching the Can/US men's hockey game at 7:30pm on Sunday (2/21), the Bier Garden seems like a decent option.
- Andrew Darby (will be there, unless my flight is delayed)
- Julia Bauder
- Esmé Cowles
Belgian Beer
If you'd rather drink Belgian beer, show up at the Thirsty Monk anytime in the PM on Sunday (2/21).
- Mike Giarlo (showing up either immediately after lunch or immediately after dinner or maybe camped out there all day)
- Mike Lindsey (here's hoping they have some sours)
- Scot "Chimay Rouge" Colford
- Yvonne Federowicz (wishes kriekenbier)
- Mark "oud bruin" Matienzo
- Michael Doran (8pm-ish)
- Rob Casson (altho may hop over to the Bier Garden at some point, as i'm not getting dinner there)
- Declan (plane lands at 9:45p...)
- Daniel Lovins (if I can find my way there)
- Chris Beer